(Achtung: Long posting - in änglischer sprache :-) )

My Peugeot 508 was delivered this week. Sleek car which I love, but the Navigation system (which I in the following call: NAV+ - Peugeot calls it WIP NAV+, Citroën calls it Emyway and internally at PSA it is known as RT6) is terrible. I have no quips regarding route planning algorithm, map or route display, but the User control functionality is awful, especially when it comes to the telephone bluetooth functionality. The documentation in the Owners Handbook is pretty bad, which is a problem when the system is not intuitive.

I have listed below my findings and the issues I see, needs to be fixed. I would appreciate anybody supplementing / correcting / commenting on these findings. My mobile is an iPhone 4, - I do not know to what extent my findings also reflect other mobile phones. Your comments to this is also appreciated. Here goes:

WIP NAV + - How does the iPhone Bluetooth connection work ??

1. When the mobile phone is bluetooth connected to the system , after a little time, NAV+ sees all contacts in the phone. ALL. They can be listed via the ADDR book, and contains names, tel. numbers, addresses. It is NOT possible to make only a part of the contacts available via iPhone contact groups.

2. When looking for a phone number, one has to scroll through all (up to 400) contacts alphabetically with the dial. No facility for jumping.

2. If Bluetooth connection is cut, the contacts disappear, i.e. they are not transferred to NAV+, only accessed in the iPhone via Bluetooth. Nevertheless, there is a max limit of 400 entries that NAV+ can accept.

3. The iPhone contacts can be listed and tel. numbers dialed via NAV+ (use *green telephone* button + *Directory*)

4. The addresses from the iPhone address book can NOT be used for navigation. A MAJOR flaw!

5. In NAV+, iPhone contacts can be deleted from the NAV+ list, but no data are ever deleted or changed in the iPhone. Next time the NAV+ system is started with Bluetooth connection to the iPhone, all iPhone contacts are again copied to volatile NAV+ memory (System says: *Synchronization successful*)

5. Via NAV+ input, new entries can be made to the address book (dial, push-for-letter, dial, push-for-letter, etc. etc.) Names, addresses, phone numbers can be added. Such entries can be used 1) navigation and 2) for dialing via NAV+

6. In the Navigation menu, addresses can be entered. Such addresses can also be given a name. These entries will appear in the *recently visited*; list from which they can be opened and saved permanently (button: *Archive*). However, names give are not saved, only the addresses. Instead, the address is copied into the name field, and cannot be changed.


Summary of functionality, that needs to be changed, for the system to become user-friendly:

A) Make it possible to access / load a subset of all addresses. Most obvious implementation would be to allow download of a particular contacts group (iPhone and Microsoft Outlook both use contact groups)

B) Make it possible to go quickly to a contact in the list. Most obvious implementation: spell via Control Dial.

C) Make it possible to navigate to the address of an iPhone contact. This is a Priority requirement!

D) Make it possible to give navigated-to addresses a name and save both in the NAV+ directory.

E) Make it possible to permanently download iPhone contacts into the NAV+ directory. Also make it possible to NOT automatically *synchronize* iPhone contacts when Bluetooth connection is established.

Hello pep508,

Congratulations to your new lion!

Yes indeed, the Wip Nav Plus/RT6 could be better and more comfortable.

I believe all the problems you've discovered were discussed here in the past already.

In this thread for example: http://www.peugeotboard.de/peugeotfo...s-retten-.html

If you are a power-user who uses the phone and the navigation system very often, you won't be very happy with the RT6 or you have to accept and live with the current situation.

In my opinion we can't help you but perhaps someone with a Iphone can tell you more because I have a win mobile smartphone which works good with the RT6.

Perhaps PSA or Magneti Marelli will fix some of the problems with the next software release but i believe it will take a lot of months because the last release (2.1 G5) is brand new.

Hi 508GT,

Thanks for your reply. I have taken a look at the thread you mention, and will dig further into the Forum archives. Thank God for Google translate :-)

While waiting and hoping for a response from a 508 / iPhone owner, maybe you would kindly comment on my 6 *issues* in the original post: Which of these issues are solved for your Win Mobile? - What I am thinking is, it is cheaper to swap a mobile phone than a car ;-)

Vielen Dank!

Hi pep508,

i don't know why the iphone fraction is not answering to you...:roll: so i will try to help you again.

First of all: the features you are looking for are not available or not supported by the RT6 at the moment. Therefore it makes no sense to buy a smartphone with win mobile or Android.

Please look at my comments in BLUE.

pep508 schrieb:
(Achtung: Long posting - in änglischer sprache :-) )

My Peugeot 508 was delivered this week. Sleek car which I love, but the Navigation system (which I in the following call: NAV+ - Peugeot calls it WIP NAV+, Citroën calls it Emyway and internally at PSA it is known as RT6) is terrible. I have no quips regarding route planning algorithm, map or route display, but the User control functionality is awful, especially when it comes to the telephone bluetooth functionality. The documentation in the Owners Handbook is pretty bad, which is a problem when the system is not intuitive.

I have listed below my findings and the issues I see, needs to be fixed. I would appreciate anybody supplementing / correcting / commenting on these findings. My mobile is an iPhone 4, - I do not know to what extent my findings also reflect other mobile phones. Your comments to this is also appreciated. Here goes:

WIP NAV + - How does the iPhone Bluetooth connection work ??

1. When the mobile phone is bluetooth connected to the system , after a little time, NAV+ sees all contacts in the phone. ALL. They can be listed via the ADDR book, and contains names, tel. numbers, addresses. It is NOT possible to make only a part of the contacts available via iPhone contact groups.

You only can decide if you want to synchronize your contacts on the SIM-CARD or your contacts in the phone with the RT6. Other options to restrict the amount of contacts are not available.



2. When looking for a phone number, one has to scroll through all (up to 400) contacts alphabetically with the dial. No facility for jumping.

Yes, you have to scroll.

2. If Bluetooth connection is cut, the contacts disappear, i.e. they are not transferred to NAV+, only accessed in the iPhone via Bluetooth. Nevertheless, there is a max limit of 400 entries that NAV+ can accept.


400 contacts is a big number normally. Okay, if you have all your business contacts on your phone and you are a salesman of the year, you will have more than 400 contacts... ;-)

You can import your iphone contacts to the RT6 after the synchronization. The imported and stored contact can be modified. The problem is, after your next synchronization the contact will appear twice in the RT6 (or you have deleted the contact on your iphone before).

In my opinion there is no way to import all the synchronized contacts with one command to the RT6. You have to choose each contact and use the "import-command". If you have a lot of contacts this will take some minutes... ;-)


3. The iPhone contacts can be listed and tel. numbers dialed via NAV+ (use *green telephone* button + *Directory*)

You can also push the address-book button and choose than the contact.

4. The addresses from the iPhone address book can NOT be used for navigation. A MAJOR flaw!

Indeed, for business-people an important feature which is missing at the moment.

5. In NAV+, iPhone contacts can be deleted from the NAV+ list, but no data are ever deleted or changed in the iPhone. Next time the NAV+ system is started with Bluetooth connection to the iPhone, all iPhone contacts are again copied to volatile NAV+ memory (System says: *Synchronization successful*)

This is correct. You can't delete or change contacts via RT6 in your phone. Therefore all contacts appear again after the next synchronization. You can disable the automatic synchronization but I makes no sense if you have not imported the contacts to you RT6 before.

5. Via NAV+ input, new entries can be made to the address book (dial, push-for-letter, dial, push-for-letter, etc. etc.) Names, addresses, phone numbers can be added. Such entries can be used 1) navigation and 2) for dialing via NAV+

This is correct.

6. In the Navigation menu, addresses can be entered. Such addresses can also be given a name. These entries will appear in the *recently visited*; list from which they can be opened and saved permanently (button: *Archive*). However, names give are not saved, only the addresses. Instead, the address is copied into the name field, and cannot be changed.

I believe this is also correct. I will check this.


Summary of functionality, that needs to be changed, for the system to become user-friendly:

Your summary sounds good and perhaps PSA or MM will take pity on us... :-)

A) Make it possible to access / load a subset of all addresses. Most obvious implementation would be to allow download of a particular contacts group (iPhone and Microsoft Outlook both use contact groups)

B) Make it possible to go quickly to a contact in the list. Most obvious implementation: spell via Control Dial.

C) Make it possible to navigate to the address of an iPhone contact. This is a Priority requirement!

D) Make it possible to give navigated-to addresses a name and save both in the NAV+ directory.

E) Make it possible to permanently download iPhone contacts into the NAV+ directory. Also make it possible to NOT automatically *synchronize* iPhone contacts when Bluetooth connection is established.